Re: Planet X Debate Enterprise2002 vs J.William Dell

To: Enterprise2002 
Brian Gillbanks

Rebuttal of Opponents opening statement.

Ladies and Gentlemen;

My learned opponent has stated his points very briefly.
Before dealing with the points he has contended, let it be known that under debating rules;  
Points not contested are conceded.

Roberts Rules of Order
http://www.constitution.org/rror/rror-08.htm#46

"While it is the duty of every member who has an opinion on the
question to express it by his vote, yet he cannot be compelled to do
so. He may prefer to abstain from voting, though he knows the effect
is the same as if he voted on the prevailing side."

Do you concede the following points?
Do you concede the debate?

(Quotes From JWD opening statement)

1) This debate is occurring at the appropriate time in the proper forum.
   The claims made by Nancy Lieder, where discountable before Sept 21,
   2002 have now become of pressing interest and issue, needing rational
   discussion and some type of determination by this body and the world
   in general.

2) That extraterrestrial species do exist and would introduce
   themselves, if government did not introduce them sooner, after the
   time of a poleshift, predicted to occur in 2003.
   http://www.zetatalk.com/govmt/g00.htm

3) That a poleshift of Planet Earth would occur in 2003, due to the
   return of the planet called Planet X or 10 by our scientists, Called
   Niburu and Marduk by our ancestors.
   http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p00.htm

4) In its wisdom, the US Government has followed a different path, and
   hid this information from both its public, and its elected
   representatives. And continues to do so.

5) We are here to debate the issues raised by the CCD imaging taken,
   of astronomic coordinates, ( given by a claimed telepath, Nancy
   Lieder, on behalf of another species, called Zeta who communicate by
   empathic or telepathic method.

6) Empathic communication requires relating of common elements of
   culture. Through the work of the telepath Nancy Lieder over a seven
   year period accumulating data from answers given by the Zeta to
   questions asked from people all over the world. The Zeta have
   developed a library of information that is now available for the
   population of Earth to read and explore. Through this understanding
   gained from the information available at www.zetatalk.com  the Zeta
   believe that Earth's citizens will be better prepared to culturally
   identify with the Zeta culture and begin peaceful interaction.

7) The Zeta have provided specific coordinates and details regarding planet x.
   They have provided further predictions that can be seen at
   http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p00.htm regarding its location,
   passage, and effects.

8) The images of Sept. 21 2002 and Oct 4 2002 taken by telescope and
   available  at http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/tteam342.htm  are an
   attempt to both prove the existence of planet X, and through that
   proof, the existence of the source of the coordinates, the Zeta.

9) based on summary image picking up object, refraction angle change
   due to distance covered over last 12 days, predicted movement by Zeta,
   earth position at time of imaging, and on looking for most intense red
   object on film.
   I conclude that the new Image of Planet X of Oct. 4,2002 is located just
   above the Sept. 21,2002 PX location as seen on the Summary images of
   the two dates. 

10) The PX object is now confirmed by the fact of it having been
   imaged on two different occasions in the coordinate area specified by
   the Zeta.

11) Based on the statements by the Zeta on refraction, we can now
   confidently predict that the next images (assume same location and
   angle of viewing) will show the red light image closer to the true
   coordinates (white light) of PX .
   Note: Images taken Oct 11 2002 confirm red & white objects converging.


In regards to your contentions;

Enterprise2002 statement
   "Well there you go, enough said you've obviously already confirmed your
   own BELIEF in the images, so for you this is planet X. Jolly good."

As the proponent in this debate, and as the writer of the findings, I
assure you I have made up my mind. I had thought that was obvious. It
is you, and your opinion, as the opponent that we were expecting to
hear in your opening statement. And that, is sadly lacking.

Enterprise2002 statement
   "You're not interested in a debate. You just want another Nancy
   platform and some of the limelight for yourself."

From the short response and lack of depth in it, 
I would suggest you have no interest in debate on any points. 
You ascribe reasons to another, while avoiding the issues.

Enterprise2002 statement
   "Roll on May next year, what will you be saying then?"

I will be explaining the situation to some of my neighbours. Those not
totally gripped by fear. Because some silly asses in Government
thought they were too stupid to understand back when a little prudence
and preparation might have made a difference.

In closing;

I expect that now that you are aware, that by not debating you concede, 
you will bring a little more clarity and thought into your rebuttal.

I look forward to it.

Submitted
J.William Dell